April 9, 2013

  • WHAT DO I MEAN WHEN I SAY, "I LEFT HOMOSEXUALITY?"

     

    But I don't understand why that means you 'left' homosexuality, or even what leaving homosexuality entails
    Are you hetero now? Are you married, with children?
    You left a hateful environment, and for good reasons, but I don't understand what that means for your sexuality NOW. Did you become straight, or something else entirely? Or nothing?
    4/8/2013 5:58 PM  Chrifu

    @Chrifu

     

     

     That is a very good question...And this is the answer:

    What do I mean when I left homosexuality?  First, I left gay sex.  I first made the vow to quit gay sex sometime in 1987, after I learned one of my friends and former lovers had full blown AIDS, my friends rejected me, and then I learned about this horrible group of gay, HIV positive men called ACTUP!.  ACTUP! would disrupt business and government meetings, they even disrupted trading on Wall Street.  They would shout out things like, "YOU ARE KILLING US!!"  The only people killing gay men were, "We, ourselves, and us."  

    But that was only the last straw.  My walk into and out of homosexuality started at the same place. 

    I suffered, because I was gay, not because of what anyone thought of me.  I hated myself.  And I was raised in the "Not Very Gay" 70's in a small Kentucky town.  Everyone I knew thought gay meant 'happy'.  No one even suspected I was gay, but I wanted to kill myself every single day.  How could there be any societal condemnation when they didn't know there was anything to condemn??   Were gay people suffering in the big cities?  There were, but for most of us outside the gay enclaves on the edges of most urban centers, to say we were persecuted is utter and complete nonsense.   I was my own persecution.  (This part is a cut and paste from a recent comment I left to a gay activist).

    See I had a dad who neglected his wife and children.  My dad only ever cared about controlling the people in his life.  He took whatever he wanted and gave little to nothing in return.  When I was 3 or 4 years old, my uncle came to live with us.  He was born to my grandparents when they were in their 40's (Yes, that's right, that's pronounced "WHOOPS! A'BABY!").  My mom was 21 years old, and married when her little brother was born.  Mom's two sisters were grown and married too.  Can you imagine a man with 3 daughters who finally has the son he always wanted??  My uncle got away with everything, he was the apple of my grandfather's eye.  Grandpa's apple, everyone else's worm.  My uncle was a monster.   My parents knew what uncle monster was like, because he'd already lived with the other 2 sisters before coming to us, and the stories were hair curling.  I was uncle monster's favorite chew toy.  He could always torment me into tears, kicking, and screaming.  At first uncle monster would only torment me when dad wasn't home, but one night, don't know why, he took the tormenting into overtime.  I cried out and then my dad yelled.  Dad, bellowed, "LONNIE...WOULD YOU SHUT UP!"  That was the end of me.  I was an object for a monster to chew on, and the dad, who should have protected me, threw me to the monster to be used.   I was an object of neglect and an object to be abused.   Funny thing about being treated like an object, you start acting like an object.  Then, SURPRISE, You start seeing other people as objects. 

    It was actually after I started working in a soup kitchen (several years after leaving homosexuality) and started ministering to drunks, addicts, hookers and etc. that I would come to understand how I'd been treating people, especially other guys like objects.  One day the realization just took hold of me that these women doing the hooking talked about loving sex and money, but no matter how much they loved sex or money, they hated being used, and no amount of love for sex or money was ever enough to make being used okay.  With that realization about hookers came a question for me, "Have I ever used a guy the way guys use hookers?"  I thought, "Well, I never paid, or was paid for sex..." but I knew there was something deeper I was missing about my own behaviors...  I started remembering interactions with my classmates from grade school.  I never had a real friend.  My way of relating was to go home alone, and bring my classmates home, but only in my mind.  The only way I could have a relationship with other guys was to have a fantasy relationship with them.  In the real world I knew know one could want to be my friend.  My dad didn't want me, and my uncle only ever abused me.  I learned the lessons dad and uncle monster taught me very well!  I didn't know what I was doing, I honestly thought I was doing my classmates a great kindness by refusing to burden them with my presence.  In my fantasies I was the best at everything, football, baseball, basketball, you name it.  As the years went by the list of all the great things I could do grew.  Eventually playmates went from the football diamond, and the baseball goal, to the bedroom.  At first I just imagined masturbating with another guy in the room.  It was all fantasy, so I could do anything, and masturbating moved into something a lot closer and invasive.  I already knew a lot about sex, because dad was a porn addict, and he left the stuff lying around everywhere.  I wasn't born gay, I was made to feel like an object and started using other people as objects of pleasure. 

    When I was 8 years old, one of my older brother's friends started being nice to me.  I never understood why.  I was convinced no one could so much as like me, and it was completely impossible anyone could ever love me.  But this older kid was nice to me, when my brother's other friends just ignored or picked on me.  It turned into sex play.  Now back in the very early 70's every kind of play between boys was just that, play.  We've lost something today, that even a dysfunctional kid like me was able to recognize. back then.  There was this period of time in a boy's life between like 5 and 11 years old when being a boy was the greatest thing on earth, and boys could innocently share that with other boys.  Today everything a boy does is scrutinized and labeled.  Little boys who might just be playing get labeled "gay", and they are only 4 or 5 years old!  It is sick to saddle a child with the anchor "gay", before they even know what sexuality is.  (Children do not develop an understanding of sexuality until after age 8.  That was proven by years and years of rigorous scientific testing by scientists studying child mental development.  Of course today with our sex saturated culture children are being rushed into things their little brains can't yet handle.  SAD!)

    I didn't understand at 8 that what I was going to begin doing with other boys was, in fact, selling myself for a little bit of pleasure in return.  I didn't like the sex.  Okay I need to back up.  I loved the powerful sexual pleasure, but when the sexual high wore off I felt horrible.  It took me years and years to see that I felt horrible because I was using and being used.  Sex was what I traded to be with another person I liked.  I believed that I had to do something for someone, or give something to validate my reason for taking up a fellow human beings time.   If I could make the other guy feel good, then it was okay if I felt good.  I wasn't getting paid for sex, I was trading good feelings, so I could feel liked, valued, worthy to a fellow human being.  I just settled for the smallest crumbs of human warmth and kindness.  And as always I loved the sexual high, but after the sex I felt terrible; like something had been taken away from my soul.  After awhile the sexual high wasn't worth the pain afterward.  Add that to learning my friend was dying of AIDS and my friends, and the WHOLE gay community behaving is such irresponsible and reprehensible sexual behaviors and you've got the perfect storm.  At that point I honestly didn't care if I died.  What I decided I couldn't live with was being a part of my friends f***ing themselves to death.  For the first time in my life I wasn't thinking like an object, and more importantly I wasn't treating other guys like objects.  I cared about these people who'd rejected me.  I made a vow I would not be part of cause the deaths of my friends.  No one would ever be able to say I gave another person AIDS.  I took a vow to stop having gay sex.  And except for 2 incomplete blow jobs I kept my vow...and...um, like...one night of full blown sex with a longtime friend of mine. 

    That last sex, with a person I already respected and loved...I just had to give it a try.  I'd never had sex with someone I really loved and respected.  AND IT WAS GREAT.  But then in the middle of having sex with this guy, I really loved, my dinner started backing up.  Vomit rose into my mouth, but  I forced it back down.  At first I just thought it was a burp coming up for a quick visit accompanied by some chunky friends, and I continued the 'deed'.  It wasn't a burp...I was having "gastric interruptus", while I was balls deep!!  (Sorry for the graphic language for some of my regular readers!!!)  What I thought was a burp was my stomach roiling in disgust.  I was truly, deeply, horribly disgusted with my behavior.  I had sworn off sex to protect friends, but here I was with someone who'd been the truest friend, I don't know, maybe ever, and I was doing something to someone I loved that would end up killing at least 3 people, in my tight knit group of gay friends and lovers.  Obviously that vow had meant more to my stomach than it had meant to my dick.  but you know what? It is really hard to keep johnson up for the job when you're stomach's trying to kick your teeth out with loco bandito chunks of Mexican food!!  It was either throw up on my friend, or pull out and run.  What can I say, I really cared about this guy...way too much to blow chunks, all over him.  My gay lifestyle was over.  Didn't know how I was going to change my gay feelings, but with the threat of gastric histrionics, every time I pushed wood into some guy's chocolate shop, I didn't have to worry about acting out sexually again.  

    I did nothing whatsoever to choose the gay feelings I had.  Honestly, I'd been pushed into the situations which lead to those feelings.  But what I'd never done was take responsibility for my feelings.  I didn't choose them, but I never challenged their right to control my life either.  I didn't choose, but now as an adult that wasn't the right excuse anymore.  I had to take full responsibility for my feelings and what I did with them.  That was a loooooong road. 

    I was an atheist when I left homosexuality, so there were no religious reasons; no god or gods involved in what I was doing.  That changed 3 months after my last sexual experience.  The little sister I had abused when we were children.  Fancy that an abused kid who abuses someone else he should have loved and protected.  That little sister had confronted me in Fall of 1986 with all the abuse I had heaped on her as a little kid.  I took full responsibility for that behavior, and changed that very night.  My relationship with my sister changed completely from that night on.  I told her I never expected her to forgive me, and if she wanted to hurl abuse back at me, I'd allow that.  In January of 1990 that sister called me out of the blue.  We hadn't spoken in probably 7 or 8 months.  She called me and told me she'd accepted Christ, and she said, "I just needed to call and tell you, I forgive you."   I was very kind on the phone, I mean what could I say?  I got off the phone and I said, "BULLSHIT!"  I wasn't in the best place at that time in my life.  I didn't need my sister going all religious on me.  And I knew she couldn't forgive me for the things I'd done to her.  I knew I could never forgive my dad or my uncle, and there was no way she could forgive me.  It was bullshit.  "But what if she has forgiven you?"  That thought kept gnawing at my mind.  I'd wake up out of a dead sleep with that thought, "What if she really forgives you?"  I was an atheist, and I knew if she'd wanted to haul me down to the police station for some of the things I'd done to her she could have pressed charges, and that's no joke!!  There are certain violations people can't forgive, and that is just the fact.  The Jews can't forgive the Nazis, and no one should ever expect them too.  There are behaviors which cross the line, and when that line is crossed you are F***ED!  I knew the truth; knew what I'd done, and I knew I could never forgive someone who'd done to me what I'd done to her.   "BUT WHAT IF SHE HAS FORGIVEN YOU?"  She called me at least once a month, and a terror started building inside me. 

    See I'd been a "christian", as a teen, but I was GAY.  Back then only gay people in California could be gay and christian, since that's where some gay guy had started the first gay church...or at least the first gay church which has lasted to this day...The Metropolitan Community Church.   I knew what the Bible taught, and just before I went away to college I had a little "come to jesus" meeting with God.  Only the meeting I had with God was a "go away jesus" meeting.  Go away; get lost; f-off; "I'm kicking you to the curb, God, like yesterday's trash!" I was gay, God didn't like gay, so we needed to part company!   Every time I talked to my sister, she'd tell me all the things she was learning, and all the things God was doing in her life.  She knew I was gay, but she didn't tell me  I was going to Hell, or what an abomination I was, like all Christians are SUPPOSED to do to gay people.  Look, I understand hate.  If my sister had been full of hate, I could tell her to go f*** herself.   She was loving, caring, and so concerned about how I was doing.  Hate is not the heaviest thing to have to carry around.  Forgiveness is the heaviest thing there is, because you can't hate someone who has forgiven you all the horrible things you've done to them!!!  IF ONLY SHE WOULD HATE ME I WOULDN'T HAVE TO HEAR ABOUT LOVE, FORGIVENESS, AND HOW WONDERFUL GOD'S LOVE AND FORGIVENESS IS!!  GRRRR!! LOVE, CARING, SHARING...HEINOUS BITCH! wtf  Every time we talked I felt like God was getting closer to finding me; like God was coming to get me.  There was only one reason God would be coming for me:  Every other Christian I knew would tell me I was an abomination, so if God came for me it would be to kill me.  See I really did listen to Christians and their preaching.  Now those assholes were gonna get their hate's worth.  The God they said was mad at me was coming to stomp me into a greasy spot on the floor.  That's what good Christians had been teaching me.

    God really did arrive!  Now I'm not some uneducated hick from small town Kentucky anymore.  I am a college graduate, and I've had classes of all kinds, I had all kinds of facts that this Jesus was just a radical Jew who got too radical and the government did what good governments do...THEY KILLED THE DUMB PRICK!!  Dead Jew, end of story!  But somehow none of what I knew made any difference.  Jesus Christ showed up in my little apartment.  And you know how I know Jesus was there?  Because suddenly the realization took hold of my mind.  Suddenly; I mean one moment I didn't know this new piece of information, and the very next moment I did know a new piece of information:  "Jesus is the source of unconditional love, unconditional understanding, and unconditional acceptance."  When that realization took hold of me another realization took hold of me.  ALL I'D EVER WANTED WAS TO BE LOVED, UNDERSTOOD, AND ACCEPTED.   I had peace.  There wasn't anyone I could see, but he was there.  I couldn't smell him, or feel him, or taste him...WHAT?! I had to try it and see, just stick the tongue out for little lick... I was a gay guy after all!!  But even that didn't matter!  Jesus was still offering me unconditional love, acceptance and understanding.  When I had the realization of Jesus and what he offers, I also realized I'd never had it, and everything I'd been doing to get, just the smallest crumbs of human kindness from other people was JUST WRONG!!  I knew my way of looking for love, was the absolute opposite of the right way to find love.  I did the only thing I could think to do when confronted with the wrong way I thought, and the wrong ways I'd acted.  Just like when my sister confronted me with all the ways I had abused, misused and hurt her, I accepted my responsibility for the wrong things I'd thought, been, and done.  I asked Jesus Christ to forgive me, and said, "If you'll teach me your ways of loving, understanding, and accepting I'll give up all my wrong ways of thinking, doing, and being."  I guess he took the deal...But I had one more thing to say.  I said, "Look, I'm gay, and if I could have stopped being gay, I would have done it a long time ago.  So don't think I can change myself.  If you don't want me to be gay then you are going to have to fix it.  You can tell me what I'm supposed to do, but don't ask me to change anything about my self.  It's all on you chief!"  Yes, I actually said, "It's all on you chief."  

    Change started happening slowly, but change I did.  I had my little roll to play in all of it, but I didn't do any of the changing.  It took 7 to 8 years before I started finding myself attracted to women.  The biggest thing that changed me was learning to build relationships.  Rather than looking at guys and their attractive part I started talking to them; I started behaving in a relational manner.  At first I'd be aroused, but when I started talking to them, getting to know them, the arousal would turn to a desire for something deeper and more meaningful.  I started desiring and looking for brotherhood, and finding that was better than any sex I'd ever got from a guy.  I still have relationships with guys I met back in those early days.  They know where I come from, and they accept, understand and love me.  


    I've said all of that!!!   To now say.  YES, I AM NO LONGER GAY...well biology has given all of us a drive to propagate the race; the procreative drive, for lack of a better word.  All I really did was change the way I related to other guys, and all the emotional baggage and junk I'd shoved down in side buried what biology had given me.  When I started wanting guys in deep brother to brother relationships then what biology gave me simply came to the surface.   My male to male relationship needs were met, and when I learned to relate  properly to other guys then other relationship needs started coming out.  IT WAS LATE IN LIFE, BUT BETTER LATE THAN NEVER!!  

    I have had 3 relationships with women.  The last relationship ended last fall.  She is a wonderful lady.  I thought being Christians would allow money to not be an issue.  She makes more than 4 times what I make yearly.  She travels all over the world with her work, and she wanted me to quit my job, leave all ministry obligations behind, and simply become her companion on the road.  She actually started demanding that I change to meet her desires.  I'd already been forced to change by people who were supposed to love me.  I ended the relationship.  It broke my heart, but I can't ever go back.  Even if going back is going back for a woman this time. 

     

    So thanks for asking that wonderful question!!  BET YOU'RE SORRY YOU ASKED IT NOW, AREN'T YOU???

     

Comments (39)

  • My childhood was very similar to yours but it was my older brother who was like your uncle. I know how difficult it is to process all the abuse and try to learn to maintain healthy relationships, I am glad that you found forgiveness, Thank you for sharing your testimony.

  • I am sorry for any pain you went through, and hope you came out as a stronger person.  Best of luck in the future.  Thanks for sharing your story.

  • I've always loved your passion for the truth, even when you were telling me things I didn't want to hear.  Keep preaching it man.

  • Wow, that was intense.  Thank you for sharing that; it takes a lot of courage, I know.I'm so sorry your childhood was like that.  It's no wonder you had trouble building any kind of relationships, but I am very thankful that you had that revelation and were able to stop the chain of use and abuse.  I wish you much good in the future and hope that you find someone with whom you can have a mutually supportive and joyful relationship.

  • Thank you for sharing. Fortunately we have a God that is forgiving and merciful.

  • you blog, you must know, is very revolutionary. many people refuse to accept your reality as expressed here.you seem to have done it all by yourself. was there official counseling along the way? have you ever read the writings of Dale O'Leary? your blog should be shared. send it to http://www.Narth.com they might publish it. best wishes. keep us informed. marriage is a completion of the Human Person, which is of two genders, male and female. think about becoming a Catholic. there's a home in that church for you, Jesus' own church. you might have an interesting relationship with the Body of Christ in the Holy Eucharist.

  • @seedsower - And thank you for sharing something of your won struggles.  I am very sorry you had a brother monster.  I was a brother monster to my own sister.   My sister and I have a very close relationship now, she is one of my closest friends and confidants.  How is your relationship with your brother today?  And how are you doing in your walk?

  • @lonelywanderer2 - Thank you.  I am stronger and better for it.  I sometimes still marvel at how far I've grown.  I wouldn't want to go through it again, but I'm still here.  

  • @blonde_apocalypse - I don't like the hard stuff anymore than you do.  I get through it with the help of friends who keep telling me things I don't want to hear, but need to hear, and from their encouragement.  I preach the hard stuff, because the truth sets us free.  I like the freedom, but the road to it nearly always sucks.  Just keep walking, dear lady, don't stop walking that road to freedom.   And I'll keep encouraging and preaching!

  • @mtngirlsouth -  Right back attcha Sam!

  • @lanney - Thank you so much.  I read your words of encouragement earlier today at work, and was greatly uplifted!  I'm hopeful of still finding a woman who will love me for me.  I actually do best in relationship, but it takes a long time for me to get into the relationship.  I don't go into them lead by romantic feelings.  I go in with eyes open as much as I can, so a great many relationships never really started.  I'm not sure how to move forward at this point.  But I am hopeful.

  • @mortimerZilch - God hasn't called me to be a Roman Catholic.  I welcome brothers and sisters of many denominations, so long as they are orthodox and show a love and fear of God.  

  • Yes, I too have tried not to start anything that didn't seem like a viable option with the result that I rarely start anything at all.  I think, though, that we learn a lot along the way, just by observing and interacting with others apart from romance.

  • Thanks for posting this! :)  

  • I am happy someone asked 

  • @trunthepaige - Hahahaha! You're mean .  You know the poor guy wasn't asking for this.   That is the most dangerous question in the world to ask me!   It's like triggering a thermonuclear bomb.  I honestly thought about deleting it, and taking it easy on the poor guy, but I kept saying, and chuckling to myself....YOU ASKED FOR IT KID!   

  • a very thoughtful story... but i don't share your hatred of all things homosexual.  the gays and lesbians i know didn't choose their sexuality, period... let alone as a result of abuse.  and they are in loving, healthy relationships. in contrast, the only people i know with AIDS are straight

  • @flapper_femme_fatale - I don't hate gay and lesbian people.  I hate when people bully other people because it is politically correct to bully people who disagree with gay people.  I disagreed with gay activists when I identified as gay.   And I'm not fooled by the front  gay and lesbian people put up for "ever straights".   When you say "healthy" as compared to what?   What you see and what I've seen and see are two vastly different things.   You're judgments don't matter to me.  When you learn something worth knowing I'll let you know.  

  • @Such_are_you - "When you learn something worth knowing I'll let you know.  "it's kind of disappointing that, despite all you've gone through, you're still arrogant.

  • @flapper_femme_fatale - Arrogant??  You're the one who came to my site where I'm telling my story.  My story, not the story of gay people you know.  Go right ahead and look up in that post and tell me how many times I name one of your gay or lesbian friends.   You must think I'm telling one of their stories, because you say: "the gays and lesbians i know didn't choose their sexuality, period... let alone as a result of abuse.  and they are in loving, healthy relationships."That isn't my story!  I told my story.  I didn't tell the story of your gay or lesbian friends, so why do you feel the need to defend anyone, when I'm telling my story??  It's my story not theirs, not yours!  So why do you make comments like that??  What you said has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with anything I wrote.   I'm talking about my trauma, and about my life  as a gay man in the gay community. And as far as how they got to be gay, unless the Fairy Drag Queen came down and sprinkled magic pixie dust on them when they were little babies they got the same procreative drive, every human being is born with, including you and me.   Now just like there is a drive to survive and some people  defeat that drive, and commit suicide so there are some of us who find our  procreative drives defeated.   I didn't choose to defeat my genetically determined procreative drive.  I didn't choose to "feel" gay, and I have never said I did.  I certainly never said your gay and lesbian friends chose to be gay.  I don't know your gay and lesbian friends, and I never spoke to them or about them in my post.  I tell the story of my journey into, through, and out of MY gay experience.   It is arrogant of you to come to my site, and snidely, insinuate I'm talking about someone else, when clearly I'm not.  Now if you have something constructive to add to the conversation then say it.  If all you're gonna do is try to sell fairy tales as facts then you won't be doing it on my site.   My site where I am telling my story.  So apologize for your arrogant attempt to force a meaning from my story I never intended or don't waste one more moment of my time.  

  • It is so awesome that God loves all of us individually. Thanks for sharing your story. We allhave baggage whether we want to admit it or not. I have met nurse friends who are gay and I am their friend.  I hope you can find a great relationship with someone who will treat you good.  Blessings..sheila

  • This was a really interesting read. And I really like what you said here: @Such_are_you , telling your story and refusing to let it be commandeered and molded into something else. 

  • Wow, that was a very moving story. It sounds like you had a pretty horrible childhood, and that played a major influence on your sexuality. You certainly don't have to answer this, as it's a very person question, but I guess I'm kind of curious if the attraction that you have toward women is the same as the attraction that you used to have toward men. Also, your comment about transforming your attraction toward men into deeper, more fulfilling friendships with men kind of reminded me of something that I heard about students being attracted to teachers or professors: people confuse sexual attraction with a strong desire to know or be close to another person because they admire certain qualities that the person possesses, or wish to be more like that person. It sounds like all along you were craving closeness and intimacy, but you didn't know how to go about obtaining it since you'd never known that kind of love when you were younger.I'm not sure if your intention in writing this was to prove that people can overcome homosexual feelings by altering their attitudes/ religious beliefs, but I think that every situation is unique and some people just can't help the way that they feel (and shouldn't feel obligated to change). I don't see anything wrong with homosexual relationships-- it seems like the main problem with your early sexual experiences was that you only cared about the sex, not about people or relationships. Sex was more of an addiction to you than an expression of love.

  • @Such_are_you - you seem to want to judge all gays and lesbians by your own experiences.  that's narrow-minded.  i have no doubt in my mind that plenty of people get confused about their sexuality and make the wrong choices for themselves, and that it can be very traumatic... one of my gay friends went as far as getting engaged to a woman before he came to terms with who he was.  your story stopped being your story alone when you said, "unless the Fairy Drag Queen came down and sprinkled magic pixie dust on them when they were little babies they got the same procreative drive, every human being is born with, including you and me."  that's you making a judgment about how others feel based on what you went through.  and no, i don't have a natural drive to procreate.  so i'd appreciate it if you didn't project your own issues onto me, too.  "I don't know your gay and lesbian friends, and I never spoke to them or about them in my post."really?  what part of "and the WHOLE gay community behaving is such irresponsible and reprehensible sexual behaviors" doesn't indicate that you were talking about all gays and lesbians? 

  • @flapper_femme_fatale - yes you do have a drive to procreate it is genetically coded into every human being including every gay person and that is cold hard scientific fact.   You'd have no sex drive without it.And the whole gay community was behaving grossly irresponsible, and the needless deaths of my friends  form 1987 to 1993 and thousands and thousands of others who kept having unprotected sex or early on how leaders in the gay community kept silent, and how many fought to keep the bath houses open, and lets not forget how gay activists suppressed laws which would have informed potential sexual partners that they may be infected.  The United states gov. demands disclosure from every foreign national, with a HIV positive status, and anyone with HIV is refused entrance, but no one knows how many Americans with HIV leave and return, because Americans don't legally have to disclose.  Since the 80's hundreds and hundreds of thousands; millions, actually, of people have been needlessly threatened with HIV.   And lets not forget ACTUP!  HIV infect men shouting everywhere they went, to everyone around "YOU ARE KILLING US!"  Every one of those men infected himself no one held guns to our heads. I was there you were not!  Don't you dare to presume you know anything about my experinces or what was happening probably before you were born.  You truly are arrogant, but so far you have proven me 100% correct:  You know nothing of any value.   It isn't arrogance if I can prove you don't know anything.  Now, you will deal with the issue I raise :  You have come to my site  arrogantly and snidely insinuated I was saying something I clearly was not.  Apologize for your arrogant and presumptive behavior or leave my site troll.  Deal with the issue raised.  NO OTHER COMMENT FROM YOU WILL BE ALLOWED ON THIS SITE UNTIL YOU DEAL WITH THE ISSUE I RAISE.   All comments you make which don't deal with the issue I raise will be deleted.    I have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy for trolls.

  • @TheyCallHerEcho88 - The intent of the post was answering a question I was asked.  I have never said people can help feeling.  What I say is, "I never chose my feelings, I was forced into situations which largely facilitated those." I am absolutely against forcing anyone to change, and always have been.   I didn't choose my feelings, but as an adult I was responsible for what I did with those feelings.  It's gay activists who tell people they can't change and it's dangerous to even try.  That is nonsense.  Change isn't easy, and it is never quick, but I'm fine with that.  All I have ever wanted was for people who want to leave homosexuality to be left alone to do what they think is best for them.  That is what LGBT people claim to want for themselves.  I want everyone to have that right.  And yes gay activists have been trying to keep people from leaving homosexuality, even proposing and making laws. You ask: "I guess I'm kind of curious if the attraction that you have toward women is the same as the attraction that you used to have toward men." Yes, I am sexually attracted to women and I don't try to compare it to what I felt for other guys.  I wasn't relating to anyone in a positive way.  The idea the feelings of attraction stand alone or can be separated out from feelings and ways of relating to others that have nothing to do with sexual attraction is problematic.  I relate differently to everyone today...Well...I do still have character flaws, but everything is always changing.  You ask:"Also, your comment about transforming your attraction toward men into deeper, more fulfilling friendships with men kind of reminded me of something that I heard about students being attracted to teachers or professors: people confuse sexual attraction with a strong desire to know or be close to another person because they admire certain qualities that the person possesses, or wish to be more like that person. It sounds like all along you were craving closeness and intimacy, but you didn't know how to go about obtaining it since you'd never known that kind of love when you were younger."That is an excellent question, and keen observations.  Very Good!   What you are talking about is called "Transference".  Transference happens when a patient under a doctor's care; a student under the exceptional tutelage of a good teacher; or a child in the care of a nanny or other caregiver.  It is quite natural, or it used to be.  Now Transference is becoming a problem.  And you are right people are confusing attraction with wanting to be like their teacher.  And you are right that it is confusion.  What is the root of what is becoming a societal problem?  What breaks a culture down is the breakdown of relationships in the society at large.  As families breakdown that begins to be reflected in the society around us.  The dysfunction which is becoming a huge problem on so many fronts in the culture is a reflection of what is going on in American homes.  What was happening in my personal life, beginning 45 years ago is beginning to happen in the society around me.  I see my story being played out all around me, and it's mostly what we'd call straight people.  I don't differentiate between hetero and homo sexual/relational brokenness.  I used to think I was different from "ever straights", but that was only my perception from within myself.  Once I started to get to really know other men and their lives intimately, WITHOUT ANYTHING SEXUAL AT ALL, I saw I was very similar, and not different at all.  I felt stupid, because as a child I'd blown, way out of proportion, my perception that  I was "different".  It was very healing and freeing for me.  So when I talk about my homosexual journey, I make no distinction between my journey and the straight porn addict's journey, the straight guy/gal's who can only ever seem to hook up, but can't ever keep a relationship, and etc.  I see human sexuality and behavior as a whole as something common to human beings.  Straight and gay are just very bad labels we're stuck on.  When you find out your story is very similar to the stories of others, you see the differences are mostly surface.  Straight and gay are simply tools I use to explain concepts.  I don't believe either gay or straight have much meaning at all, it's just about where the obsession becomes focused.  I needed what a male child needs from other males, so I got hung up on the male thing.  Others get hung up in different ways and for different reasons, but the results are messed up sexuality and relationships.Most people who have similar traumas to mine don't develop homosexuality.  My temperament type is the right temperament type for me, but it was the wrong type to be faced with that kind of trauma.  I also had kind of a perfect storm going on in my life, neglectful dad, tormenting uncle monster, and the rest of the family having little or no positive impact. You say:"I'm not sure if your intention in writing this was to prove that people can overcome homosexual feelings by altering their attitudes/ religious beliefs, but I think that every situation is unique and some people just can't help the way that they feel (and shouldn't feel obligated to change). I don't see anything wrong with homosexual relationships-- it seems like the main problem with your early sexual experiences was that you only cared about the sex, not about people or relationships. Sex was more of an addiction to you than an expression of love." Anyone who is focused on sexuality and not on people, gay or straight, has exactly the same problem I had.  Go take a look at gay magazines, what is the focus of the magazine?   Where does the magazine lead you?   The entire gay movement is sexually centered.  The surface look the of gay movement has changed, but the center has always remained the same.  Look past what you are being told, and closely look at where the focus of the culture itself is.  Art, literature, the bar scene, sites like grinder, gay pop culture, everything.  Look at what is, and you cannot fail to see homosexuality is sex focused, and a lot more than "straight" culture.  The same exact attitude exists in sexually centered straights, but it isn't nearly so pronounced and in your face as it is with gay culture.   A healthy culture is relationally focused, and unhealthy one is centered on sex.   I was an atheist when I figured that one out, so it isn't all about a religious perspective.  "What you do speaks so loud that I cannot hear what you say."  ~ Ralph Waldo EmmersonYou may say whatever you want about the gay community, but I can plainly see the truth in everything which surrounds them, and in what they do.  You and others may claim homosexuality is equal to what everyone else has, that there are no differences, but the community fairly shouts "WE'RE NOTHING LIKE YOU!!!, from the rooftops.  Go to a pride parade, open your eyes, and see the truth.  I left homosexuality and everything connected to it, going on 24 years ago.  Much has changed, but it is cosmetic, When I take a look, I still see the same things I saw decades ago.  I don't hate LGBT people, but I don't like people telling me, "things are different,"  when my eyes tell me a completely different story.   You may believe what you hear, but I know what I see, and there isn't any kind of substantive change.  Think what you like, but I'll only believe the changes when what is said lines up with what is done. 

  • @WaitingToShrug - Thank you very much!  And thank you for point out that others are trying to force something on the post I didn't intend.  It always helps when a more objective pair of eyes sees the situation the same way.  Of course it's blatantly obvious, anyone else should see it.  Still, thanks!!

  • @TheyCallHerEcho88 - I reread my comment to you, and the last part I wrote seems a little bit on the harsh side.  I didn't mean to come off that way.  Are there exceptions of to what I say about the gay community?  Sure, but then every people group there are exceptions which deviate from the generalized observed cultural look and flavor, and the behaviors of the population.  here's the point:  If people want to hold to the sexual preference they "feel" most directed toward, I have no problem with that.  But it is dishonest and disingenuous when people say to me, "you can't speak about all things gay."   None of us can speak about everything American, but there are qualities the majority of us can point to which are part who we are as a people.  I never claim to speak for every LGBT person, and all of us have unique experiences in our lives.  But there are mostly universal similar aspects to the culture and behaviors of sexually centered persons.  And the fact is those universal similar aspects aren't even unique to the gay community.  Sexually centered people share the same universal similarities among themselves in the same way certain distinctive characteristics are present for alcoholics, drug addicts, and people who are very successful in business.   When I look at sexually centered people I'm talking about sexually centered people who are both straight and gay.  Like I said I don't see the distinction between straight and gay as being very different, it's just a matter of degrees. 

  • @seedsower - You know I'm sorry, maybe I shouldn't have asked my questions on my comments page.  May I address those questions in a private message, or would you prefer not to answer my questions.  If you prefer not to answer those questions, I certainly understand, and my feelings will not be hurt in the least.Blessings,

  • @flapper_femme_fatale - I bear guilt for  your uncle's death, up  until I took responsibility for my behavior and chose to do something about it, and speak out about it.  Anyone who stayed silent after AIDS was identified and did nothing to educate and curb the spread of the infection bears guilt.  It is too bad you don't understand that, but be that as it may, your excuse changes nothing, and your continued attempts to deflect attention from the issue I confront you with, and your continued avoidance of reponsibility is completely unacceptable.   As I promised I have deleted you last comment, since you would not accept responsibility for your trollish behavior.  Do not, for any reason, or under any circumstances return to this blog.    

  • @Such_are_you - I am happy to answer questions, My brother and I are fine, not overly close, he does not interact with a lot of people. I continue my walk , some struggles but I work through things as I encounter them.

  • Is your brother a Christian?  And has there ever been an kind of conversations between you about what went on in your youth?   And like you I keep running into issues and deal with them.  One thing that has been incredible has been the ability to have my sister's input on our childhood.  Her perspective is sometimes very different from mine, and that really helps.   

  • This was a sad/horrible/enlightening story. I do appreciate the insight and have well wishes for you. People get where they are by taking various roads. Sharing your journey has been great. I'm sure we all have faced negative things like this, and it lets me know that one day I will be able to face my own demons...

  • @MyWordz_SoSweet - it's not sad and horrible.  I'm alive, HIV negative, have people who love me, I have people I get to minister to....THIS IS A FRICKIN AWESOME STORY!! 

  • @AngelAsh_86 - Thank you for reading it.

  • ... *HUGS* Thank you for sharing this with us. It was inspirational. I'm going to be posting it for some friends. I hope it helps to encourage them like it did me. :) Thank you for being so deep, personal, and honest. I wish you the best!!

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